Some seem to think I don't support Science or Logic or Reason, there is no reason you should think that unless you are twisting what I said to say something else.
God gave us a brain now use it properly please.
God created science for us to use not abuse. Its called proper order. The highest Authority is at the top, the lower authorities are below, you are attempting to usurp this proper order very foolish. The order is there for your own good, if you see a stop light in traffic do you speed through when you can see that traffic is moving ahead on the green light?
WARNING!!! Now if you have already made up your mind what is what, don't read any further or you will be challenged and you probably wont be able to handle it. Wait until you are ready please. No point you will rage and then carry on as before. You have a choice take it or leave it, move on, noone is making you read this only you.
You said you don't like the freedom of having choice for the reason the world is in so much of a mess, when God could technically stop it, but because of His great LOVE and HOPE that we would love Him in return He doesn't, He is letting it run its course. Our life here on earth is a timeline, like a piece of string compared to eternity. Make the right choice and in eternity all tears and sadness will be wiped away, no more pain and suffering there. We are all in the Fathers LOVE there.
So would you prefer:-
Fate - you don't have control of anything you are fatalistic you cant change anything you just stick your head in the sand and hope it all goes away.
Purpose - you would be a machine like matter - You are a program like Agent Smith made up of 1s and 0s - you are data, like a machine - input - output nothing more. You are a collection of matter that somehow thinks and is self aware, so not much different to AI but very limited next to the evolving AI, maybe you will be superseded then, made redundant and AI will think for you since it has superiority.
If you then believe the science created everything then show the evidence go back all the way back to the atom how did this science create the atom and the invisible energy fields within? Big Bang what created the big bang origins???
Don't give me a wimpy answer like we are still looking into it and collecting data. We are the Science gods and know that we are right even though we haven't found the evidence, yet we are frantically working on it. Keep up the accelerating please with that collider and try to find out how atoms work and what is the God Particle!!! - so keep trying maybe in a billion years, but guess what the universe is in a state of decay it will eventually burn out so you don't have forever.
Sounds like you have a faith in something that simply does not show anything and are also practicing the religion of your selective science. Ultimate Ironic!!!
faith b(1)
: firm belief in something for which there is no proof
faith almost always implies certitude even where there is no evidence or proof
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith
Religion definition
Religion is a set of organized beliefs, practices, and systems that most often relate to the belief and worship of a controlling force, such as a personal god or another supernatural being.
https://www.verywellmind.com/religion-improves-health...
What controlling force is controlling your thinking? Have you learnt what to think by the powers to be and not how to think for yourself, no critical thinking skills, then you are on a slippery slope.
There is a misconception that Christians and people of faith disregard logic and reasoning and science.
Science is the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence.
https://sciencecouncil.org/abo.../our-definition-of-science/
Science isn't your pet so called scientific theory, that is selective science, a very narrow biased opinion, based on some evidence arranged to make it look convincing.
Blind people by the science, the blind leading the blind.
Definition of theory
3a
: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation
3b
: an unproved assumption : conjecture
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory
Please if this triggers you - stop proceed no further you are not ready for this.
The following comment is after repeated spam like objections - similar or same ones repeated when already replied to previously many times, including the usual suspects, ridicule, memes dug up from somewhere on the internet.
OK contributors, there are some that are regulars here on this post and previous ones, but they have shifted from disagreeing, objections, to abusive spamming the same points over and over with a few new bits thrown in, but it wont matter what I say, they have already decided what they will do, its all about choice.
I cant listen to a record that skips over and over again, lets move on, we all have a life to get on with.
Jesus forgives and loves all so do I. But when it becomes ridiculously repeated we must draw a line.
If they read my article on this post I stated loud and clear, if you are triggered by what I say, no one is forcing you to read on, STOP move on get a life.
If you disagree with what I say, yes you can comment, make your point, you are welcome as long as you are respectful, follow the basic guidelines. (Facebook has guidelines as well) some pretty obvious ones about abuse.
God is long suffering with our follies and I try to be as well, by His strength. But really is this how you behave when someone disagrees with you?
If you disagree and we have a proper discussion, I would ask you to give your alternative to what I believe, what are your solutions for the world.
Read through the comments if you have the time to read a lot of objections, controversy, some really good questions, original genuine, heartfelt objections and then sadly; what I would say almost AI BOT use of pre- written scripts sourced from somewhere, targeted attack. OK Name your source and people can see what this author actually believes and proposes is a better way. There are a lot of my responses already here and in previous posts to “The Body Walks”, if you have the time to cover most of the objections you can possibly get.
Some who are triggered have deep wounds from their past that are unresolved, yes and religion has been responsible for abuse, that’s not God that’s free choice in action. Jesus came to set the captives free, there is healing for these deep traumas, God is grieved by what happens in this world due to free choice and there is a maniacal hidden enemy hell bent on destruction loose in this world. Jesus came to destroy the works of the enemy. There is Good News.
Here is a clue if it is bad, then it is the devil or people influenced by that evil, or if it is good then that is GOD who is LOVE.
Remember Jesus loves you and He is the answer and He is love and He is GOD thank God!
Next, some short, but not so sweet requests to contributors. The rules are da rules – Jesus Rules.
No more hyped up misinformation, misquotes, out of context you name it, rehashed hash ups from the internet - original please too much spamming.
Already answered
Repeated Spam
Not genuine
Jesus Loves you.
Moving On
Genuine comments please no fakesters!
God is not panicking about it, truth He is perfect peace that passes all understanding. So nothing rattles HIM, including rubbishing rubbish. Cmon some original please, there has been some quite punny original ones – welcome LOL.
Here are some challenging Questions and Objections received in the comments section on facebook, I will just give a summary of their question and no names of cause in respect.
These might help others who receive similar and those who genuinely want to know.
The big one, The God of Love commands killing people as mentioned in the Bible.
I have seen this same comment a few times already on my previous posts. Be interested to know where you and others are getting this from, the source and what was the true agenda behind composing this. On the surface it appears like a strong case against a loving God – so well set up and draws on peoples emotions to get a reaction, without looking into all of the contributing factors.
This will be a long one so get a coffee if you make it through to hear the other side of the story.
First we are in the age of Grace, no longer in the age of the giving of the law before Christ came, so we don’t usually deal with this question, as Christians don’t practice the elimination of others at all. However, the law still does, I mean if you break the law – the law is there for those who break the law – law enforcement, the legal system will deal with those found guilty in the courts. If someone committed a very serious crime against you or someone close to you, you would want them dealt with. They are dealt with for the safety of others in society.
Now when Jesus was confronted with the women caught in adultery and the religious people of the law of Moses for the Israelites in that day, tested him said she must be stoned according to the law. Jesus said, “he who is without sin cast the first stone”. He said to her when all left convicted of their own sins, “I don’t condemn you either”.
Then He said “I am the Light of the world, go and sin no more”. What is He saying, He came to destroy the devils works in the world and restore people so they would no longer sin.
When you are in the faith it is a lifestyle of daily dealing with your stuff and your demons, when Jesus Light will expel the darkness in your soul, if you let Him.
So getting to your points full of controversy and accusation against God who is LOVE.
You werent there before the flood, you werent there in Canaan where there was the giants in the land, you don’t know what really was going on then. Best way to describe it, it was way worse than zombie land, jurassic park and mad max with all sorts of perversions, corruptions of humans, hybrid monsters gone psycho. It wasn’t a picnic or a walk in the park, you wouldn’t make it 10 yards without getting abused in some way. Sin at those levels is like a cancer and a highly contagious virus that rips through the population, you’ve seen all the zombie movies where the human is taken over and starts killing anything and anyone, especially the uncontaminated, what happens they got shot and noone blinks an eyelid, they are relieved the monsters are no longer there, but sad as to the person they used to be.
Yes when Abraham asked God not to destroy a city Sodom in the Old Testament days it got down to 10 people who were not totally corrupted, I believe it went down to 4 people Lot and his wife and 2 daughters who were rescued by angels, angels came in the form of men and the men of that city wanted to have sex with them.
If God didn’t act and He had the authority to through His prophets and chosen people who were in agreement – then they and the following generations of these places would become unredeemable no longer can be saved – like a zombie.
I don’t mean people who commit these sins are zombies – Or we all would be zombies – all have sinned - it is when sins take over the whole person so much so they are no longer that person and wont return to being that person anymore, God must stop them if He can before it goes too far, like advanced cancer things are too late for them to ever recover – fatal.
That’s why in the days of the law – in Moses time for the chosen holy people of God who were meant to be a nation of priests to help the nations, God could not tolerate any sin practices getting in like cancer and destroying His chosen people where the Saviour of the world would come in that bloodline. If people repented they can be redeemed even if they are full of sin, that’s what God wants for all. Mercy triumphs over judgment as He does not want anyone to perish. Free choice comes at a great cost.
Have you heard of crossing the red line, that’s when the gauge needle is off the charts, warning, warning act now before its too late, or all is lost.
Do I understand it all. NO way, but I trust God is a good God who loves everyone He created. Not wanting anyone to perish at all, He desires all would be saved.
John 3:16-17
New King James Version
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Some more wrapped up in one comment reply.
Some of the objections I am receiving does need to be addressed>>> I am on learning curve every day and I am NOT the Wisdom or superior to anyone else, I don’t pretend to know it all, a know all LOL, the wisdom is from above, I don’t create the wisdom if you like, I receive it by faith and then apply it, if I choose to or not. To be foolish is to ignore wisdom to our peril. You see God didn’t create the evil, He allowed it to come, if you choose to ignore His Words. Evil is a dark consequence of choice and if we choose a curse instead of a blessing, evil happens, sooner or later. The sad thing is that evil happens to others and the innocents, God has a remedy for this as well, which can be applied by faith now and for some it applies later. Don’t take matters into your own hands, pass on all judgement to God how people are dealt with. We have all wronged others and ourselves, Jesus is the remedy for that. Let the law enforcement do their job, establish and support good law and order to protect the citizens, call them if you need to.
Jesus came to give life and life to the full, the thief came to steal, kill and destroy. Jesus came to destroy the works of the enemy and we can partner with Him. This is the age of grace, not the age of the giving of the law, we now focus on the Good News that Jesus came to save all that were lost.
John 1
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Now if you see something good is happening then it is God (origins), if you see something bad happening it is the devil (origins) and those in agreement with him if they know it or not and (evil) a consequence of doing what he does.
Isaiah 45:7, where it says, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”
The Hebrew word translated as “evil” in the above King James translation is translated as “calamity” (NASB, ESV) or “disaster”.
https://www.str.org/w/does-isaiah-45-7-teach-that-god-created-evil-
https://www.evidenceunseen.com/bible-difficulties-2/ot-difficulties/isaiah-ezekiel/isa-457-does-god-create-evil-cf-lam-338-jer-188-amos-36/
Then it is peace for those who do good.
Example, a mass murderer kills lots of innocent citizens, consequence in this life, judged in the uncompromised just courts. Are the courts evil for bringing justice and a consequence to this evil doer?
We all need to repent from all wrong doing, which means change your mind about doing that. Then start being the person God created you to be, like Jesus is and then receive His forgiveness, forgive yourself and others, the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin.
Next objection is when I have previously been asked to show proof of my belief. I would then ask them for their proof of their belief, "how did the science create everything?"
They would come back with, "we didnt say the science created everything. We just believe in science to show evidence of reality is proven."
What I mean to say is if you don’t believe God created everything then what did? Was it an entity, a force, something did? I mean again how did the atoms suddenly appear? If it was a big bang, what was it that made the bang? Origins please? Aliens? Did some huge being or thing drop a large rock on the universe and it sent shockwaves everywhere, that somehow ignited a life atoms somewhere? So is this thing, or entity a force, or an intelligent piece of cosmic matter? Perhaps the entity intelligence is AI? Then our origins is AI!!! What is the origins of this AI? Not a god then what is it? A faceless energy force thing!
See what I mean when people ask me to prove God, you need to write a book, a thesis to answer that question.
There is a book called the Bible and the Bible will provide you with lots of answers, if you take the time to get to know the ONE who gave us this book. Get wisdom, knowledge and understanding, like some of our heritage scientists did and many today.
I am not a professor or an expert of any sciences, so this means you will need to do your research to discover the answers. We are in the school of life here on this planet, I am learning something new everyday, like learning how to respond not react! I am sure you learn something as well. When we are at school, you don’t drop on a new learner the most complex science, like quantum physics, you give an overall picture to explain it to the young mind, in pictures or illustrations, these become like stories. They are not the full explanation, our minds would explode if we got all the information drop at once. We learn, we grow more, we keep learning. You watch your kid learning to ride a bike, they fall off, get back on, all learning. You watch your kid discovering something incredible and wonderful in creation with delight.
Then.
Lastly this is a good question to clarify. About the quote in my post "god created science for us to use,not abuse", bible chapter and verse for this?
OK to answer your main question – The first commandment, Love your God and have no idols (summarised) The commandments about loving your neighbour and doing no harm (summarised from the 10) example, using your science to harm others. Cherry picking the selective science, to willingly, or unwillingly (sincerely deceived) to deceive others. Blinding others by THE Science. Found in 10 commandments, Deuteronomy elsewhere etc OT and Gospels, Jesus summed up in 2 commandments. (Easy lookup) First one vainly, with selfish ambition, in pride being like a god, rule over, deceive others, or others willingly make you an idol like a god to direct their lives and finally, attempting to usurp Gods Authority. You therefore falsely believe that you control how the science will be used for the supposed betterment of others and you are the moral agency and final authority, no questions asked and enforcable. Quotes like “I am the Science” or “WE are the single source of truth” as in one leader or an agency, organisation, Government, etc is a give away. You have seen what the dictators of the past are capable of and have done to others. Not good. Lets learn from history, don’t erase history.
I added here on this page examples:- Creating harmful viruses, performing gain of function research to harm others.
Harmful Drugs, Hallucinogenetics, genetics research and practices that will bring harm.
Many others – Bible Versus, would allude to this. Science in itself is not evil, it is a tool, a Knowledge Discovery designed to help us. It is the nut behind the wheel, the operator, look at the motives. (For the sincerely deceived operators the level is a lot less, but still damaging for themselves and others) Trying to keep it short – not good at that obviously – but facebook comments also has limitations. I encourage all to do their own research, don’t take my word for it, LOL with the challenges here to my point of view, beliefs, most don’t.
James 3
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. 16 For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. 18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
In the book of Proverbs there is much wisdom, we would do well to listen to reason.
Proverbs 3:5-8
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.
7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and depart from evil.
8 It will be health to your flesh,
And strength to your bones.
Proverbs 14:12 KJV
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, But the end thereof are the ways of death.
Proverbs 12:15
"The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise."
Proverbs 18:2 ESV
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
1 Peter 5: 5b - 7
"God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble."
6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time,
7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
We are all fools until we humble ourselves, I do not claim to be superior without HIM I could do nothing of significance.
1 Corinthians 1
29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.
30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God-and righteousness and sanctification and redemption-
31 that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the LORD."
Proverbs 2
For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding;
7 He stores up sound wisdom for the upright;
He is a shield to those who walk uprightly;
8 He guards the paths of justice,
And preserves the way of His saints.
9 Then you will understand righteousness and justice,
Equity and every good path.
Proverbs 9
10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,
And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding".
Proverbs 24
3 Through wisdom a house is built,
And by understanding it is established;
4 By knowledge the rooms are filled
With all precious and pleasant riches.
Wisdom is basically knowing the right way to go given the information and having the understanding about it.
Science would come under knowledge and understanding.
Reason and logic, needs to come under wisdom from above in the right order, or it becomes twisted logic or unreasonable reason.
God Bless The Truth will set you free. Think about it!